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Josh1
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posted May 23, 2006 01:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Josh1     Edit/Delete Message
Sounds like a nice project!

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posted May 19, 2006 12:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jonnyj     Edit/Delete Message
right, i'm building it in an open-air 'case',
so heat dissipation should be very good.
I am putting the cpu heatsink in an air
tunnel, so the fan air is most effective.
I'm using either/and the scythe 8.7db 33cfm fan
and/or the silenx 11db 48cfm fan... controlled to about 8-10 db.
the silenx is a 120mm 38mm wide, and it's incredible.

I finally got my xp disk, so i'm back to building the system tomorrow

i didn't get an email of a reply on this
thread, so i'm glad i checked back

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posted May 18, 2006 02:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Josh1     Edit/Delete Message
Sounds like a good idea to put your profits in education, peace groups. Yea that will be hard to do to make it silent unless you can channel all the noise, into to like a pipe or something. Or put noise canceling material inside the case or around the case but I don’t know how practical that would be.

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posted May 17, 2006 10:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jonnyj     Edit/Delete Message
agree with the info-availablitity. 1 thing
to note is that the trend of what's
happening is that the govt/fbi/cia/law has
greater access to "us", but we have less
and less access to them.. and less access
to what they do with our info.

yup, i can imagine the displays would be
great for gaming. i use that computer
solely for stock trading... no email,
browsing, music, or anything else (for security).
I'll be putting the majority of the
profits to fund peace and education groups
and efforts, so i make it as solid as possible so i can do as much help as possible.

my one pet project with it is to make it silent,
which is a challenge with a 3.8, and especially
if it's overclocked

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posted May 17, 2006 09:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Josh1     Edit/Delete Message
Yea not too much bothers me, and I am pleased to have helped you and we look forward to helping you with any other problems. Yes the government is so polluted, people like that don’t care, or are in so much over there heads they make mistakes. Or they are just concerned about them and not others. Yea security is going to get so tight, in the future; I think everyone will have the capability to find out where everyone else is at or what they are doing. Nice setup you have there, I don’t know about you but I am an avid PC gamer and having that display setup would be nice. Use it for Microsoft X (Microsoft New Flight Simulator) or use it for a Space Simulator what will that system be used for?

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I'm glad you're a laid-back guy... that's
probably why me and so many other people
are able to get help and advice here (!)

in terms of "the bad guys", there's a lot
of politicians/presidents/etc being caught
in serious corruption, stealing, lying, and
siding with corporations at the expense of
common people.
There are politicians and govt workers who
are on 'our side' (thankfully), but i'd
never trust a govt system that's
continually found guilty of so much
widespread corruption against it's own
taxpaying citizens.

that said.. let's get back on track of
helping others thanks for the
hijackthis suggestion, that led me to what
i needed to get my computer back functional
again. now back to my mission

btw, i have photos of my latest computer
construction at www.helpusall.com/computer
If you're into hardware, you might find it
interesting.. it's still in progress


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I am going to be honest, it really does not bother me, I more of a laidback guy so to many things don’t really bother me. As I said in a pervious reply, I believe in the future the government will be forced to use other and advanced tactics to root out the bad people.

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posted May 13, 2006 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jonnyj     Edit/Delete Message
thanks, i actually just saw it on the newspaper front page too.

there's darkness and light in life. best to focus on the light, what makes life's purpose... but still helps to know and be protected against the darkness

the avian bird flu is 'expected' by 'the white house' to hit this summer. forced quarantines are repeatedly called for by the gov't's official plan.
Emergency Health Powers Act (and removal of all constitutional rights for 60 days) can be invoked. If avian flu hits, and there are quarantines made, or travel restrictions, or forced vaccinations.... stop and question before trusting what is going on..

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posted May 11, 2006 06:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Josh1     Edit/Delete Message
Here is a link to the story http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-11-nsa-reax_x.htm

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posted May 11, 2006 04:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jonnyj     Edit/Delete Message
i hadn't heard about it yet, but it makes 'sense' since the trend is the top secretive gov't having access to all citizen info, while citizens having less and less access to find out what the top gov't is doing.

i'd want to know... why were so many held in in Guantanamo Bay without detailing why they were arrested and imprisoned? Why does the recent disclosures not disclose all the people who were arrested and jailed, and why?

Also, in terms of phone and internet records... why has the FBI compiled large files on GreenPeace (2,000+ pages) and the American Civil Liberties Union (1,000+)?

Why is the FBI secretly using taxpayers' money to secretly investigate peaceful and Civil Liberties groups?
And why is it that the taxpayers cannot get an answer to this? It is our money, and they are supposed to be working for our benefit.


Some things i keep in mind. Lobbying and the economic power of the gov't. Corporations and companies 'give' millions to gov't participants each year, in order to have laws be preferable to their ability to make money. Ones who don't want to be required to reduce their pollution emissions.. Ones that don't want to have their medicines to need to pass more expensive safety testing... Ones that don't want the govt-mandated minimum fuel economy to raise. There is currently an effort in the Cape of Massachusettes, to supply all/most of their electricity by wind power. And there is a lot of lobbying to defeat this effort... obviously it's success would mean much less demand for oil,electrical entities. And also, what if more places went to wind power. There is a representative from *alaska* who is one of the most voiceful against the wind project. what does alaska have to do with MA? Companies and corporations spend a lot of money to protect their investments, oftentimes regardless of the environmental, animal, or even human cost (war, cigarettes, etc)

So it puts light on why there are now laws, that make it illegal to videotape or photograph companies breaking environmental or animal laws. It is also illegal to engage in any practice that could impact the profits of a company. This includes even peaceful protest and handing out leaflets. These laws are not enforced all the time, but they are sometimes and it shows how extreme the laws go to protect profits, at the expense of the majority of people.

So if GreenPeace documents abuses and harms of companies, and the companies would like to stop them from it... that's where the money came from to create these laws. If GreenPeace's phones can be tapped, that seems to fit in also as a way to help monitor and slow down GreenPeaces efforts.

There's sure a lot of people very dis-satisfied with the govt and how much it is 'bought and paid for' by companies/corporations that benefit the few, at the expense of everyone else. The ACLU is one of them, People For The American Way too, and lots of others.
These groups seek to inform more people about the reality, and to gather their efforts, so they can all contact senators and reps, and put pressure of them.
This means that the senators are being lobbied by the companies, but now they are also being pressured by many citizens. Because of this, there are times that the senators follow the wishes of the citizens, against the wishes of the companies.
The companies/corporations don't like this, and they would rather the Civil groups have less power. If they can be monitors, it's like monitoring a war enemy... their moves are known and they are easier to defeat (just like watergate.. knowing what the 'enemy' is planning)
This could be why the FBI has files on Civil Liberties groups.

The current picture doesn't give me much trust in the top govt. There is just too much potential profits from corporations, and it's already common knowledge of how many millions they already spend to lobby.

there's a law in PA now, where the gov't can seize my property, if it allows a company to use the land to generate taxes.
this is a good example of the greater picture...
govt is driven by $ from corporations and super-wealthy individuals, and this negatively impacts the privacy/freedoms/democracy of the common majority of people.
Many corporations (the owners of them) already use slave labor and sweatshops, and they have no more loyalty to common citizens either.

having our personal info allows them to monitor, and thus control, and manipulate(media), us.

the largest "terrorist" acts have evidence or proof of gov't complicity, and even all of them put together would equal a few thousand a year on average, and likely much less. ...This doesn't come close to the number of deaths/problems caused by *irresponsible* corporate activities for profit.

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What do you think about the news with the NSA having a database with American phone calls?

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I think that's a hint of what's to come. It'll likely become pressured or even legally mandatory soon, for reasons of 'anti-terrorism' efforts, or for our own supposed safety.

A search on the avian flu shows that the govt's official draft of their planned response has a focus on quarantines. The Emergency Health Powers Act already allows them to remove all citizens rights for 60 days, force quarantines, force vaccinations, seizure of property, and force work parties, and control of all food and water. Already law.

The corruption is rampant. If you look at the majority of the govt, the top govt, the people in offices are the exact worst people to be in each office.
There are previous govt lobbyists from agricultural companies topping the USDA, previous lobbyists for mining heading the dept of the Interior, previous lobbyists for hinting organization heading the Dept protecting wildlife. It is not one or 2 of the direct opposite conflicts of interest, it's the norm and they get placed there on purpose. And their laws reflect their conflicts on interest.

There are some of us people in govt too, who really work hard against the flow to do good. It is amazing how much we can help other people and animals, even against the forces of everything. But we have to keep ourselves smart and think critically. When things don't add up right, we need to stop and think, and not just trust what we're told to think.

9-11 was supposed to result in great increases of preparedness, and Katrina was a failure that couldn't have failed by accident. It doesn't take several days for the National Guard to be sent to help, and who gave armed guards orders to not let people leave the SuperDome.

The govt can be totally able to be effective, but I really think we'd need to completely change the way it works in order to achieve that. There are a lot of white-collar criminals, mafia, corruption, and other harms out there, even in the govt because it controls so much power and money.
I think we just have to watch our own safety and help each other, and have a healthy skepticism of authorities.

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Check this out http://winbeta.org/comments.php?catid=1&id=3901

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There is so much corruptness going on it is really just pathetic. In Louisiana where I live, this state official bought a high end truck and used state taxes to get it not his own money, then her joked about it saying he should have got more features for the truck. Then after investigations from the local news, and hopefully his own feelings made him give the truck back, and now he is out of office. And we even had a state commissioner that was involved in some sort of corruption. And a governor of ours that is in jail because of the bad tactics. I guess the power or position they have gets to there head and they do unwise things. I can understand that no one could have ever knew that a storm of this magnitude would ever hit, yea we talked about many times, but you never think it will never happen. But when it did, it seemed like people did not know what to do, people blamed other people, they yelled, and they seemed they did not know what they were doing. I don’t think that people did not want to do anything, because we are talking lots of damage and lots of money, but most importantly we are talking people’s lives that were lost. I think the problem was is that they were not read; maybe some people were in the position where they did not need to be. Now we have to live not in fear but we have to live knowing that anything could happen at anytime. Because you and I both know that for a fact, I could get in a wreck or something bad could happen to me at anytime. No, I don’t want it to happen but it very well could. Life is but a vapor, and I think the government needs to realize this and they need to have a department that works constantly, all day and every day strategizing this. Coming up with defenses, working on plans, mapping out locations, using super computers and human brains to map out if a disaster should happen, have a staff on call in every state that is constantly on wait that are working with the local police, fire and government. I am talking about state, city, parish, levels. And not just in DC but in every state, what if a disaster should happen in Florida and the response team is in DC, how long would that take. Yea we do have the National Guard and that helps but what about a team of people from every field that are specialized in there work, on that state team? Some local agencies that were used in the hurricane and other disasters were pushed to the extreme and perhaps a local response team could help them and level out the load. And I am sure that the government has a plan mapped out for every state, but work on evaluate, and append to that every day. You look at all this and it makes you wonder how easy do you think it would be for something like that to happen.

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I think, sadly but also realistically, that the world is much different than how we have grown up to believe it is. Just like I used to have American Pie beliefs, and had them broken when I started learning about all the major corruption stories involving many of the gov't and law entities that I thought would specifically be above corruption. I used to think the only "bad" things were civialian crimes and some sweatshops and abuses in other countries.
I believe that we mostly believe what we have read and heard from the media for most of our lives. But, what the media says, and people continue to repeat, isn't neccessarily true. Just as with JFK's assassination. The evidence is 100% clear that it is impossible that he was shot from the rear by a man in the Book Depository. And it is also impossible that the gov't investigation is not hiding information about the killing.
Just the same researching the US top gov't (not the EPA, but the intelligence, pentagon, and money owners) will reveal that there is continuing deep corruption, that occurs regularly, regadless of what exact people are in the positions. ie. the corruptions and events are not the exception, they are the rule. And they do not happen randomly, but they are part of a system. This can be revealed even by researching stories in the mainstream news.

It's like the pentagon supposedly losing trillions/billions every single year... right, it is not a logical conclusion that it can occur accidentally, or because the accounting is complicated. So then is leaves the questions unanswered of why is it allowed, or caused, to keep happening each year? Where is all that money going, since it doesn't just disappear? The one article in mainstream news stated that they couldn't account for dozens of airplanes, tanks, and missile command units... they are huge things, and dozens of them... where did these go? If the Pentagon actually is not doing anything to stop the repeated 'loss' of money and large weapons, then it seems like their goals are different than what they say they are.

The hurricane disaster is very similar also. Can it be an accident that the top gov't did not send any National Guard to the region for several days? Isn't that what the National Guard exists for... to help in times of disaster.
Is there any rational explanation for:
The top govt (including FEMA which was supposedly improved to assist in disasters due to 9-11) obviously learned about the hurricane disaster. None of them decided to send any National Guard or other disaster assistance for several days.

I think seeing the reality of technology, is revealed in looking at the trend. I think that the reality of cybersafety is also revealed by focusing on the trend. And the same goes for the govt.

And just like corporations can misrepresent information for their advantage, this is what many politcal members do as well. And the President does this also to help with re-election and to try to reduce public opposition. The corporations who donate millions (to both main parties), and receive favorable regulations and rulings, also want information to be slanted in a way that helps their goals. And same with the Pentagon and other top agencies. They have their own wishes, as a higher priority than our wishes...

wow, seems like the trend is that any search engine or software is a possible spyware agent. And even without the software or searches, I believe the US gov't owns the major routers in the US. So they could also just collect and archive all the traffic, and that could easily be sorted and searched thru. It makes me wonder why they focus on search engines... maybe because the data is already gathered.

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Have a look at this, Zone Alarm did it http://www.footslog.com/board/Forum10/HTML/000555.html, MSN shared Search data, you know about Sony and the Rootkiller. A certain version of Apple's Ipod software was picked up as spyware, and Symantec had some cloaking softwarehttp://www.footslog.com/board/Forum18/HTML/000683.html

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You know I want to believe that all people, or alike and they want people safe and make their product to code. For the most part that is the case but the small percentage either slip up or just doesn’t make it right, and that is when things go wrong. That was a horrible disaster; there are just no words to describe it. I hear all this talk on the news that everyone said the Deep South was not ready for a major hurricane and when “the Big One” hit it would wipe it out. Well it did, but with all this talk about the big one why not prepare? I am sure people did not really think something of this magnitude would hit us. But again it did, and we were not ready, and then when it happened there was confusion, during the clean up there was still confusion. I don’t see how you could loose billions of dollars. I think what Pres Bush is doing with the eavesdropping is needed, yes it does infringe on privacy, but if there are terrorist in the country talking amongst each other I think that we and certainly the government needs to know about it. But I believe this will come around and be a danger to us even the good people.

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i just saw your post...

yes, I think too that there are a lot of realized benefits of corporations, and theoretical benefits. Many corporate products help me very much. I look at the bottom line as: Corpoations (the boards of directors) have committed deranged decisions of death and harm, in order to create profits. Comapnies selling products they know will kill and harm people (and animals) and choosing that it's more profitable to not fix them, and doing this repeatedly. When that is the history, I choose carefully, and keep in mind that they are not thinking win-win, they are thinking win-whatever. The employees of course are people like you or me, and often they don't know the real agenda or direction of the work they contribute to.

The ID chip... if the Emergency Health Powers Act is enacted by governors (or if the President is successful in gaining sole enactment rights of martial law), then mandatory chipping could easily be a part of the mandatory evactuation, quarantines, and vaccinations. The Powers Act already allows gov't to force people to work in work camps.
As for going to a cashless system, that's a bit scarey too. Your money can be stolen by hackers, or seized by anyone, or by the gov't. If there was no history of gov't abusing their power, to control the people who oppose their actions, I might be less cautious. In reality, they are the kings, and the people are the peasants who create their goods and services, and also give them a % of our earnings. Once they are elected, they are not 'public servants', they can create laws that even the majority disagree with and that hurt the majority.

As for the largest eents of terrorism, and the hurricanes, the gov't continues to tell us that they missed acting, or that they were so disorganized, because of honest mistakes. It would require for the entire multi-trillion dollar intelligence agencies to not be paying attention. There's no way the pentagon can accidentally lose billions, or trillions, of dollars each year, by accident.
I think to look at political and business areas with the question "who stands to gain"
Digging into the OK City bombing incident will reveal that there were multiple unexploded bombs found inside the building. There was also a surveillance camera that was pointed at the Ryder truck, which showed Mcveigh and a second person.
There was also new reports about the gov't agents being paged to not go to work that day. All of these are incompatible with the idea that a sole crazy person did the bombing. At the time, the gov't was offering a large cash reward for any info on the accomplice with McVeigh, but the official story now is that there never even was an accomplice.

With 911, the leaseowner of the WTC complex is on a PBS videotape, stating that building number 7 was demolished by decision of the Fire Commander on 9-11.
However the official FEMA report, which is on their site, says that building 7 fell primarily due to fire damage. The fall of building 7 is on several different news videos and it is clear that it was demolished. There's seems to be no way that FEMA did their multi-month 'investigation' and miss seeing the videos of the fall, and also missed learning of the leaseowner and Fire COmmander's conversation. Popular Mechanics even put out an article 'debunking the 911 myths' (on their site also). The article was authored by the brother of the head of Homeland Security, and that article also addresses the WTC7 collapse, and also ignores all mention of the videos or of the leaseowners statement.
When something is said, that misrepresents, and it can't be said acidentally, it makes me wonder why the people/group chose to say it, and it also makes me skeptical of anything else that particular person/group says.
If you're interested, there are several sites that have archived the news video collapses of WTC7, and a few sites that have copied and posted the short video interview with the leaseowner saying that it was demolished. It is the most clear instance of misinformation and cover-up on 9-11. http://www.911research.com/wtc/evidence/videos/docs/wtc7_collapse2.mpg is the clearest imo video of WTC7 http://www.fema.gov/fima/mat/fema403.shtm is the intro to FEMA's report
"WTC 7 collapsed as a result of fire damage" http://www.fema.gov/library/wtcstudy.shtm
Chapter 5 is their section on WTC7
and here's Pop Mech.'s (Homeland Securities') section on explaining away WTC7 http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html?page=5&c=y

An even clearer example, to set a precedent, is the video of JFK's assassination. The video (available widely) clearly shows he was shot from the front and his head was thrown back. The official Warren report on the .gov site
says that he was shot from the back. How can they make a statement that conflicts so clearly with the video evidence... Is there any way that a thorough investigation, involving many people, could accidentally not notice the incompatability... http://harrymarnell.com/zapruder.htm this site has the original video (download) http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-1.html is the official gov't report. Their claims are easiest to find in the intro section.

They try to confuse you with a lot of confusing details. The reality becomes clearer when you can skip past the fluff, and focus on the major statements. The Popular Mechanics article section on WTC7 is jam-packed with confusing fluff.
When you know the top agencies aren't sincere, it gets a lot easier to understand things and see the trends.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060120/ap_on_go_pr_wh/bush_spying
"WASHINGTON - Already on the defensive about its domestic spying program, the Bush administration has alarmed privacy and free-speech advocates by demanding search information from millions of users of Google and other Internet companies.

The moves raise questions about how far the government should be allowed to go to probe into American homes. The administration is pushing back hard, defending its surveillance as helping to protect the nation from terrorism and, to a lesser extent, shield minors from pornography."

To protect our freedoms and rights, they will remove more and more of our privacies, freedoms, and rights. Florida already has Operation Miami Shield, where areas are randomly closed off and all people are requested to show ID. Is this practice going to spread, or get more restrictive?

On this issue of cyber safety, I'm probably an example of what is unsafe to search for online lol

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True, with more tech people can learn different things, and have them help themselves better. Medical practice will surely benefit from this entire tech thing, when everything is so digital, everything will go so much faster. In some Asian countries, you want a coke, you just take your cell phone put it in front of the machine, and you get a coke. Cell phone is connected to the finical institution. ID chip implanted, I thought of chips hardwired into people. I can tell you that will not happen to me, there is an article on here that talks about hardwiring people, I will have to find it. http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/05/07/ap/ap_070105.asp?trk=top Lets say you get in a bad accident and you are by yourself and you are unconscious, well the ambulance rolls up, and they have no information about you expect from what they get from your license, but they notice you have a ID chip so they scan it, and they get everything about your medical history, even your preferred hospital, and your doctor. I really think that this will happen, but I won’t be getting any kind of ID chip implanted on me, no matter how helpful it is. I, have no idea about government, so I cannot make an intelligent statement, because I really don’t know what goes on, other then what I hear, or read from the news. But I do think that the government does not tell you everything for obvious reasons, and perhaps they mix the truth with lies. Marketing companies they have to make everything sound like you need it or your life will be not as good if you did not, they need money, and people will shell out the money to get what they think they need. Oh yea I know all head people sit down and have a huge meting on how they can market and make it appeal to the customer. Sometimes people, even me buy things they don’t really need, or they can wait to buy it. The products they buy should work and not fail, maybe companies should ask themselves would I buy this item, even though it is not designed to the company standards. With an attack of that magnitude, you tend to think someone in the US was not paying attention, sure you have all these spies, and counter agents trying as hard as they can to get the info on the bad people, but I am thinking, okay two planes fly into a the Trade Towers and another in the Pentagon, and another tries try hit the Whitehouse, that is crazy but so real. Let me ask you this do you think if the terrorist really wanted to, that they could have another massive attack, I think that is very possible. But see you look at the aftereffects, it is so disorganized, I mean look at the hurricane that hit down here, yes it was a terrible storm, but what made it even worse is that everything was so disorganized. And the FEMA leader did not know what he was doing? When a storm or disaster of that nature hits, people need to work together and they need to make sure they are in right position, and that they can do the job.

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I can see the trend 2 ways. One way, is much greater convenience, access to information, and potential of a lot of other things (like scales that archive your weight and body fat% and temperature, and can chart weight loss, or can diagnose symptoms of common diseases. I read about this in Pop Science years ago.) That's interesting about GPS and acceleration-sensors in vehicles sensing likely accidents and triggering a call to emergency help with the location.
Economic convenience is also a huge area, and already more and more items can be bought with a credit card. Some supermarkets are even testing the technology that lets you walk thru the aisle and your supermarket card is scanned at that distance of a few feet. And what seems close behind is the fully cashless system that can even progress to the technology of all people having an ID chip implanted, including all basic info and credit cards.

The other side, is that I trade stocks for a living, and I got my degree in psychology, and I've seen how deep the system of wall street, corporations, gov't regulators, and corporate media/advertising are. What we 'know' about govt and corporations, is only their public appearance... their icons and the careful presentation. What goes on behind the scene, behind the stage, is often really different.. and almost a totally different world.
Companies spend a lot of money on Advertising Psychologists to get people to feel fear that they need certain items in order to be adequate (especially for women.. cosmetics, clothing, etc). They also hire psych's to determine what is the most effective way of 'brainwashing' people, to remember and be attracted to their products, and dislike other products. I say "brainwashed" because it is a very careful technique, where they measure timings, duration, colors, tones... they do a lot more than simply 'advertise'. With greater personal info database about consumers, the companies can more affectively persuade and pressure people to buy their products. If the techology was a community project, or a school project it'd be fine, but corporations have a long history of doing what is best for profits, at the expense of people (pharm companies who sold drugs they knew were harmful and they never reported the harms, Ford deciding it was less expensive to pay wrongful-death lawsuits for their exploding/burning cars .. than the fix the assembly line. And there is a huge list of these. The Corporation is a very good documentary that explains the struture of the majority of corporations and the stock market.

On terrorism, and the gov't honesty.. Here's a few things that can start to reveal how different the reality of terrorism is (and the majority of all anti-terrorism measures and laws)... 5 things for an intro.. I promise they are eye-opening..

CBS news http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/01/09/60minutes/main592330.shtml
Paul O'Neill ...George Bush's Treasury Secretary

"O'Neill.. had... 19,000 internal documents."

"in some cases, it included transcripts of private, high-level National Security Council meetings"

"President Bush's very first National Security Council meeting"

"From the very beginning, there was a conviction, that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go,” says O’Neill"

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying ‘Go find me a way to do this"

"There are memos. One of them marked, secret, says, ‘Plan for post-Saddam Iraq,’" adds Suskind, who says that they discussed an occupation of Iraq in January and February of 2001."

"Based on his interviews with O'Neill and several other officials at the meetings, Suskind writes that the planning envisioned peacekeeping troops, war crimes tribunals, and even divvying up Iraq's oil wealth."

"He obtained one Pentagon document, dated March 5, 2001, and entitled "Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield contracts," which includes a map of potential areas for exploration."

"“It talks about contractors around the world from, you know, 30-40 countries. And which ones have what intentions,” says Suskind. “On oil in Iraq.”"

------ http://www.economist.com/books/displaystory.cfm?story_id=1875084&no_na_tran=1
Economist

"ON the day Osama bin Laden's men attacked America, Shafiq bin Laden, described as an estranged brother of the terrorist, was at an investment conference in Washington, DC, along with two people who are close to President George Bush: his father, the first President Bush, and James Baker, the former secretary of state who masterminded the legal campaign that secured Dubya's move to the White House. The conference was hosted by the Carlyle Group, a private equity firm that manages billions of dollars, including, at the time, some bin Laden family wealth. It also employs Messrs Bush and Baker."

"In the immediate aftermath of the attacks, when no one was being allowed in or out of the United States, many members of the bin Laden family in America were spirited home to Saudi Arabia. The revival of defence spending that followed greatly increased the value of the Carlyle Group's investments in defence companies."

--------------- http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050613-102755-6408r.htm
Washington Times

"A former Bush team member during his first administration is now voicing serious doubts about the collapse of the World Trade Center on 9-11. Former chief economist for the Department of Labor during President George W. Bush's first term Morgan Reynolds comments that the official story about the collapse of the WTC is "bogus" and that it is more likely that a controlled demolition destroyed the Twin Towers and adjacent Building No. 7. Reynolds, who also served as director of the Criminal Justice Center at the National Center for Policy Analysis in Dallas and is now professor emeritus at Texas A&M University said, "If demolition destroyed three steel skyscrapers at the World Trade Center on 9/11, then the case for an 'inside job' and a government attack on America would be compelling." Reynolds commented from his Texas A&M office, "It is hard to exaggerate the importance of a scientific debate over the cause of the collapse of the twin towers and building 7. If the official wisdom on the collapses is wrong, as I believe it is, then policy based on such erroneous engineering analysis is not likely to be correct either. The government's collapse theory is highly vulnerable on its own terms. Only professional demolition appears to account for the full range of facts associated with the collapse of the three buildings."

(even the leaseowner of the WTC complex is on a PBS documentary videotape, saying he spoke with the Fire Commander on 9-11 and they decided to 'pull' Building 7 and then watched it collapse. The 'official' gov't report of the collapse of building 7, doesn't include this info, and instead says it fell due primarily to fire. Their statement is on their site, and the leaseowner's videotaped statement is on the video tape America Rebuilds (which is difficult to find, but possible)

----- http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662
ABC News

oh, they pulled the page! A few other pages about these news have been deleted also. It's smart to print them out while we can.

Here is what was at that link...

NEW YORK, May 1 -- In the early 1960s, America's top military leaders reportedly drafted plans to kill innocent people and commit acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Cuba.

Code named Operation Northwoods, the plans reportedly included the possible assassination of Cuban migrs, sinking boats of Cuban refugees on the high seas, hijacking planes, blowing up a U.S. ship, and even orchestrating violent terrorism in U.S. cities.

The plans were developed as ways to trick the American public and the international community into supporting a war to oust Cuba's then new leader, communist Fidel Castro.

America's top military brass even contemplated causing U.S. military casualties, writing: "We could blow up a U.S. ship in Guantanamo Bay and blame Cuba," and, "casualty lists in U.S. newspapers would cause a helpful wave of national indignation."

...
The plans had the written approval of all of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and were presented to President Kennedy's defense secretary, Robert McNamara, in March 1962. But they apparently were rejected by the civilian leadership and have gone undisclosed for nearly 40 years.

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and the last intro...

also has been deleted! It makes sense seeing as CBS pulled a very critiquing story they were going to run, because 'we are a viacom company, and viacom would benefit the most from a republican adminstration'. News groups can be rewarded and punished by the FCC and the govt.

thankfully, the story is still in the google archive.. http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:QZmmtBn4C3sJ:www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/17/fbi.monitoring.ap/+fbi+says+it+has+files+on+advocacy+groups&hl=en

FBI says it has files on advocacy groups
Organizations say records will show misuse of terror task forces

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Manage Alerts | What Is This? WASHINGTON (AP) -- The FBI has thousands of pages of records in its files relating to the monitoring of civil rights, environmental and similar advocacy groups, the Justice Department has acknowledged.

The organizations, including the American Civil Liberties Union and Greenpeace, are suing for the release of the documents. The organizations contend that the material will show that they have been subjected to scrutiny by FBI task forces set up to combat terrorism.

The FBI has identified 1,173 pages related to the ACLU and 2,383 pages about Greenpeace, but it needs at least until February to process the ACLU files and until June to review the Greenpeace documents, the government said in a filing in U.S. District Court in Washington.

The FBI has not said specifically what those pages contain. The ACLU's executive director, Anthony Romero, said the disclosure indicates that the FBI is monitoring organizations that are engaging in lawful conduct.

"I know for an absolute fact that we have not been involved in anything related to promoting terrorism, and yet the government has collected almost 1,200 pages on our activities," Romero said. "Why is the ACLU now the subject of scrutiny from the FBI?"


Whew, that's a lot to digest, so I'll stop there. But even that *short* intro shows how opposite the reality is from the 'news'/advertising we're heard in the media. Just like the Pentagon saying they accidentally lost 25% ($2.1 Trillion) of their budget, there's no way these things could happen accidentally: multiple secret memos on plans to occupy Iraq and sell the oilfields, before 9-11, Bush Sr. working for the defense investment firm that had millions of the bin Laden family funds, and profited greatly from the US defense spending from the permanent war and occupation of Iraq and expanding surrounding areas (he was the Advisor for Asia at the time (this has been deleted from their site, but it's still on the google cache http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:KfsPKKbuuToJ:carlyle.com/eng/company/l3-company737.html+bush+carlyle.com&hl=en),
etc

i hope all that isn't too much to digest..

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Please continue it is always very interesting to have a talk like this. Yes it is very interesting; soon I believe you will be able to just put the item in the microwave, and inside the microwave it scans and cooks it just right. How about this one, the “smart closet” What will happen is the system can tell you what to wear, based on weather conditions, seasons, what you wore last, and what is in style. You wake out of bed, it is raining but you don’t know this, so the smart closet can suggest rain attire. Perfect time for marketing attack? I think so the system knows you like to shop so somewhere in the closet you are notified of a piece of clothing that you like, or something that matches out some kind of clothing attire you already have. It already knows this, and the local retail outlet has that clothing on sale, so you are notified of that, and you buy the item. Looks good huh, well good for marketing bad because the system in the other store, knows what you have and what you need or want to have. GPS how true, Onstar can now send out an alert to the agency that shall call the emergency personal in an event of a crash. What about sensors on the road or under the road, in an event of a crash, the system would notify the police or fire or hospital personal. What about Wal-Mart and RFID’s? True they track the item within the warehouse and within the store, and many other possibilities, but what about if you buy the item, the cashier is supposed to deactivate the RFID or the RFID is supposed to quit after you walk out the store, but what if it is still on, when the item is being driven home, or the device is still transmitting its location while it is in a home or business, that could lead a person to its exact place? That method would be a great tool to help police get back stolen items, but what about the honest consumer? I have read a report on RFID’s that you can take the device off the item and it should not work after you buy the item or it will stop transmitting after a certain distance. But you and I both know that things don’t always happen as people have designed them to be. You can just think of the device, and you then can think of ways of data gathering and marketing. Huge companies and small are always trying to find ways to appeal and sell, and what better way to do that then to gather data. That is true, if you do certain things or look like a certain people, you are often labeled a terrorist and that is not right or fair. You know there are many people on this earth that try to make a life, they try and to make an honest living and they want to have a fruitful life, but then there is the other grouped very small percentage that try and bring devastation to the earth. I wonder how much of what the government tells us is true? Or do they tell the truth but not much of the truth it is often mixed with truth and untruth and unreal information?

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that is an interesting idea about scanning a food UPC to the microwave, and it downloading the cooking temperature and time.

There is already GPS for cars, which can track and log all movement of that vehicle.
And there is already RFID, which are radio transmissions from toothpaste and other regularly used items, that will transmit whenever they are within range of a receiver. The more the corpoartions and advertising agencies can define our habits, the more effectively they can market to us. Bonus Cards for supermarkets... they already track what we buy and how often. Agencies have already done research to find ways to get kids to whine more effectively, by gathering data.
I appreciate a lot of the many products and services that corporations make (like the computer and net), but some degree of data-gathering seems closer to spying, rather than my consenting to fill out questionaries.

"Terrorism" is a slippery label. Greenpeace already is defined as a terrorist group by a law that has come out in the last few years, and anyone who has donated to them can also legally be defined as a terrorist. Anyone who trespasses on private property to videotape illegal practices of corporations, they are considered a terrorist also. Even some non-violent civil disobediance is now considered terrorism by law.

It seems like "terrorism" is being used to stifle citizen's right to peacefully critique or protest gov't or corporations.
And other laws like Emergency Health Powers Act, that allows the govt to repeal all Constitutional rights of citizens for 60 days, force quarantines and force vaccinations, makes me wonder who would gain by citizens have no rights at all, not even to critique or protest peacefully. usatoday.com/news/opinion/2002/04/26/ncoppf.htm
Operation Miami Shield already starts to turn Miami into a psuedo police-state with citizens being asked to show ID during random police checks.
I wonder how much freedom do we give up, and how much control and information do we give to the govt, in order to have the repeatedly failed promise of safety. We are asked to believe that the Pentagon accidentally losses 25% ($2.3 Trillion) of their budget lol and this is from Rumsfeld on CBS http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/29/eveningnews/main325985.shtml

Anyway, this has gone far off-topic lol. my apologies.. I'd type a book if it were an appropriate thread and nobody stopped me lol

we do what we can to understand, and we do what we can to help... and there's never a limit to either of those

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Just think in two-ten years, how will it be? People want everything to be instant; when it is in a business it makes perfect sense. Think of the time when everything, all devices, appliances, vehicles, computers, telephony systems, gaming consoles will all be connected. What is a huge network that is always on, that countless amount of information can be found on, the Internet. In the future in the connected home or “smart” home, all devices will be connected to one another, no doubt, I am also sure that they will be able to connect to the Internet to download information or some sort of information database. I am sure that outsiders can get that information, just think a connected microwave, you go to buy a product, you scan the UPC code in front of the microwave, it then scans it internal database for that UPC to find the correct temperature and cook time, it cannot find it, so it goes on the Internet looks up the UPC and then cooks it. What if someone could find out that info and find out your eating habits? And that is just a microwave; you also got your refrigerator, stove and other appliances. You know it might not be a big deal, but with all this connectivity someone is bound to get some sort of information. I think what Pres Bush and the government is doing is good; ask yourself this would you want a terrorist living by you, or by your job? If you did not know you had, but then you later found out, that you had one living right next door, would that not surprise you? With that said, often when someone does something helpful, it will be turned into something unsafe, yes the potential is there, but I am pretty sure it will only get more in depth as the government tries to root out the threat.

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Agree
Echelon and Carnivore were only the beginning.

It seems as if any form of elctronic transmission is vulnerable. They are able to be intercepted and very easy to archive and scan later.

Large FBI files on human rights and environmental organizations makes me wonder why they chose to do that.

The complexity of electronic transmission still puts me in awe. It is such a huge accumulation and evolution of technologies. Incredible.

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While what Bush is doing can help track down certain people, I am sure that this will turn out to be “Big Brother” as in the story of 1980.

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http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/surveillance/2005-12-28-nsa-cookies_x.htm?POE=TECISVA

12-28-05
NEW YORK — The National Security Agency's Internet site has been placing files on visitors' computers that can track their Web surfing activity despite strict federal rules banning most of them.

The Bush administration has come under fire recently over reports it authorized NSA to secretly spy on e-mail and phone calls without court orders.

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